I once heard Tide laundry detergent is like an aspirational item.

"Frank Grimes" (FrankGrimes) 01/12/2018 at 21:21 • Filed to: None

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like a thing people want to be able to buy when they get rich. For me its tires that are like michelin dunlop or pirellis or something instead of the cheap crap I buy.
so the question is do I buy winter tires and hope in the future I have enough flow to buy some summer tires or do I just buy some all seasons?

E90M3 > Frank Grimes 01/12/2018 at 21:26

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Tide detergent is an aspirational item?

Frank Grimes > E90M3 01/12/2018 at 21:34

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yeah weren’t you listening?

MrDakka > Frank Grimes 01/12/2018 at 21:38

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That seems like a really low bar for aspirations

Nibby > Frank Grimes 01/12/2018 at 21:39

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Buy tide pods

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Frank Grimes 01/12/2018 at 21:41

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How much ‘winter’ driving do you actually encounter each winter?

My GTI came with all-season tires on the factory wheels and I use them as my “winter” tires. They’re awful and horrid and I hate them after only two winters in SW Ohio. I can’t goose the throttle in the rain because they just spin. And OMG are they shit in the snow. As soon as is reasonable I am going to buy legit winter tires. Thankfully it hasn’t snowed often nor much around here the past year. So far thus year, only this evening did I have to really drive in snow of any impact.

If all you have is rain to contend with, then all-season tires should be fine. If you get snow, get real winter tires.

Scary__goongala! > MrDakka 01/12/2018 at 21:45

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If you keep your expectations really low... you’ll probably never fail

dogisbadob > Frank Grimes 01/12/2018 at 21:45

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If you can’t afford separate summer and winter tires, get the Vredestein Quatrac 5

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Frank Grimes 01/12/2018 at 21:48

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This probably goes back to the 1930’s and the Great Depression. Back then people were starving and didn’t even have money for laundry detergent.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Frank Grimes 01/12/2018 at 21:48

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The premise that Tide is aspirational is dubious.

That said, buy good name brand tires that are specific to the season (summer/winter). Cheap tires and no-seasons are dangerous in my experience.

That said, if you live somewhere like Canada, consider the Nokian All-Weather tires (WRG3); I plan to get these for my next winter set due to the conditions where I live. If you live somewhere it basically never drops below 40F, all you need are summer tires.

WilliamsSW > Scary__goongala! 01/12/2018 at 21:51

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But what if you have really low expectations and still fail?

Scary__goongala! > WilliamsSW 01/12/2018 at 21:54

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Then your fucked

dsigned001 - O.R.C. hunter > Frank Grimes 01/12/2018 at 21:56

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We bought some Yokohama geolander T/As that are snow rated (although I didn’t realize it when I bought them). They’ve been very good all around tires and we fairly inexpensive. Probably worry go much cheaper though. That said, I drove around in a lowered Golf on Yokohama avids in college in Michigan. Didn’t even put myself into a snowbank once! Although I did get stuck a few times, , decent all seasons would have been a lifesaver

Urambo Tauro > Nibby 01/12/2018 at 21:58

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Sounds delicious

7:07 > Frank Grimes 01/12/2018 at 22:01

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I cannot answer your question, but I can post a stupid picture

Scary__goongala! > Frank Grimes 01/12/2018 at 22:03

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I heard those pods make great snacks.

CompactLuxuryFan > Frank Grimes 01/12/2018 at 22:07

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Some people definitely hate all-seasons too much. Good all-seasons are actually a really great solution for people that rarely see snow and don’t want or can’t have two sets. I’ve had Continental ExtremeContact DWS on my A4 for a while and they do great if I ever encounter snow or cold temps in Tahoe. It’s not like I’m expecting to be able to stop as quickly in snow as in the dry. They’re more than sufficient to get around and make it through most winters there. At the same time, they grip more than the summer tires on both my parents’ cars in the dry. I’d say a set of good all-seasons is perfect for anybody who doesn’t go to the track or drive in snow often.

WilliamsSW > Scary__goongala! 01/12/2018 at 22:09

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Shit. I was afraid of that

No Prius Needed > E90M3 01/12/2018 at 22:46

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They make excellent meals.

For Sweden > Frank Grimes 01/12/2018 at 23:05

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Steve in Manhattan > Frank Grimes 01/12/2018 at 23:19

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depends on where you are ....

Frank Grimes > Steve in Manhattan 01/13/2018 at 02:42

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wut.

Frank Grimes > For Sweden 01/13/2018 at 02:44

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aww yeah this is what i mean.

Frank Grimes > MrDakka 01/13/2018 at 02:44

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hey mr rich guy

Frank Grimes > Nibby 01/13/2018 at 02:45

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this is like billionaire detergent for people too busy makin cababge to measure it with a scoop.

Frank Grimes > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 01/13/2018 at 02:51

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its been specifically mentioned in sociology papers and in my life growing up i envied people who could buy tide detergent or lunchables and now I am ashamed I was so stupid as a kid. seriously it is wierd i admit it but the brand tide is seen as being aspirational just google it!

I live in utah it snows quite a lot some winters this one not so much yet. I would love two sets of tires a set of winters and a set of summers and have the best of both worlds but thats like 2x the amount of tires to buy.

Frank Grimes > Scary__goongala! 01/13/2018 at 02:52

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I mix them in a cocktail shaker with some non spill bleach. a little borax around the rim of a rusty corn can and you have yourself an elegant aperitif

Frank Grimes > WilliamsSW 01/13/2018 at 02:53

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then you fall even further like so far you are on top again evetually.

diplodicus forgot his password > CompactLuxuryFan 01/13/2018 at 08:33

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Extremecontact dws are good tires. The general as-05 is a comparable tire. Since general is owned by Conti. They have the Altimax series as well which is less performance oriented with a higher tread life.

deekster_caddy > Frank Grimes 01/13/2018 at 10:12

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I don’t think you can eat tires though?

Scary__goongala! > Frank Grimes 01/13/2018 at 12:00

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How fancy

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Frank Grimes 01/13/2018 at 12:18

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My mind is blown. I mean, do people actually have laundry detergent aspirations? I could see the lunchables because it was sort of a class differentiation symbol in the cafeteria (an odd one - kids that brought lunch were seen as poor, unless they had these overpriced prepackaged garbage snacks, which were above the kids that ate the garbage food that the cafeteria was serving). But laundry detergent? Nobody even sees that. You could use generic and nobody would ever know. I use “All Free and Clear” because that’s what mom used because I am allergic to everything. My aunt used “Sun”, which gave her house and garage a unique scent...

Still... Aspirational. I do need to look this up.

I also recently learned that peanut butter brands and types are strongly associated with class/income. Curious stuff.

You can usually score used (though still with plenty of tread, do your homework) winters every spring when rich people sell them. They may or may not require mounting. I did the tire swap thing when I was there (because poor), but a cheap set of steelies makes the swap something you can do at home.

All that said, if you live in the most populous area of UT (northern valleys), the weather varies so much that seasonal tires always seem wrong. In the winter you’ll be on cold roads but with little to no snow and no ice for the vast majority of it, temps as high as the 60s, etc. Then you have the opposite in the spring/summer where you could potentially encounter snow in June...

I guess good no-seasons are a practical solution for the area in the spring/summer/fall. Possibly all-weather in the winter unless you go up the mountains frequently.

Steve in Manhattan > Frank Grimes 01/13/2018 at 12:31

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Whether you get snows.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Nibby 01/13/2018 at 12:31

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I always found the dish washing detergent pods kind of crazy, but they really aren’t that weird. We don’t do the the laundry detergent pods, and I think I use too much laundry detergent, but the size of the loads varies too much to use a pod.

Frank Grimes > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 01/14/2018 at 01:37

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I know it is totally wierd if you try to make sense of it. I think lunchables are revolting and today who gives a crap what laundry detergent brand you use. for me growing up with 3 brothers and not a lot of spare money around. definitley not poor but my parents never spent money on pointless stuff so growing up and my only child friends using the tide I saw on tv and eating peanut butter and pancake sandwiches when they were eating the “cool” lunchables with ham that tastes like cheese and cheese flavored ham and soggy crackers.

My mom who was in charge of the money was always very utilitarian about stuff. Why spend more for a name brand when the store brand detergent does the same thing? Most of this stuff doesn’t matter to me now and I respect how my mom would be in my opinion more wise with money. But to this day I am looking at all the neighbors and their corvettes and new suvs and stuff and I am like why dont my parents have a new car instead of grinding used cars into the ground and repairing them again. I have to catch myself from turning this feeling of being different and asking myself if we are less than. It is really kinda wierd how a detergent or lunch makes you question if there is like different classes of people based on crap like this.

I live near utah lake and i think we get a lot more snow than provo or orem just driving around utah county can be kind of sketchy on the crappy but brand new all season hankooks i had before. getting winter tires and summer tires seems like the best idea to me especially since I-15 in utah county can be really crappy even when its just rain. tons of hydroplaning so I kinda want to avoid the all season tires that in actuality just seem to suck at everything.